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The other issue is that since the entire value of being a teacher, etc is in the pension, there is incredible incentives not to rock the boat once you've been around awhile. If the school system sucks then a younger teacher tries it for a few years and then bounces to a new career. If you're close to the 20 year brass ring you would literally murder a baby to get to that pension.

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I do agree that unions are oftentimes blights on society, either rent-seeking or imposing a source of friction that’s not worth the cost. However, I want to push back on the idea that public sector unions have any less of an adversarial relationship with their employers than private sector unions do.

Politicians are not any more accountable to public sector employees than executives are to private sector employees. This is because public sector employees are not a large fraction of voters the same way as private sector employees are not a large fraction of shareholders. Executives want maximum revenue for minimum expenditure, while politicians want maximum political gain for minimum expenditure. This *can* lead to both wanting lower wages for the employees, since the budget matters for politicians. But more often politicians are adversarial for other political reasons. I was happy police unions existed during “defund the police”, even though that had nothing to do with a possible concern for policemen being stiffed on wages.

I don’t think unions should have outsize influence the way they do, and they clearly have engaged frequently in rent-seeking or otherwise detrimental behavior, but saying they’re not in an adversarial relationship or should only be able to bargain over wages seems to step too far. I’m frankly much more concerned about politicians taking foolhardy, shortsighted choices that sound good to the public than I am about executives doing so.

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